i saw some reaction comments and omg i'm gonna hate the ending sfm

I fucking loathe it JFC

WHAT HAPPENS?

I stopped watching ages ago, so you wont be spoiling anything.

It's the ending of it, Dean heads off back to Lisa and idk some chick flick moment about how when he pictured happiness he thought of her and Ben and he would make a deal to keep them safe and I don't fucking know, I want to punch something right now.

LOL WUT. Yeah stuff like this is why I stopped watching. I feel like SPN has all the potential for a great show but the writers rarely use it.

It was a goodbye scene, I know but it came so out of left field. The chick you boinked for 2 days. Really?

THEY CONNECTED
IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE
OR SOMETHING

(aka the writers are wiggity wiggity waaaaaack)

RAAAAAAAAAGEEEE

I was LOVING it right up until the Lisa scene. Sure it was angsty, but did I expect differently? Drunk!Castiel was hilarious yet awesome. My reaction to the end, though:

"Okay, that’s a little out of left field. Wasn’t she just a one weekend stand? Did he mean Lisa specifically, or just that he would like that sort of normal life? Seriously, he wants to make sure they’re all right when the Apocalypse goes down? I don’t get it."

I apologize for the word vomit in advance, oh lord.

As a viewer I just couldn't buy it, it felt forced and completely out of the blue. Gumby-girl? Really? We haven't seen or heard from her and Ben for two years, Hell I'd almost forgotten about them completely had I not re-watched some of the episodes recently. So nothing, nada, just like with Cassie and all the other girls he's been with which is understandable since he's on the move, he's died a few times, been on FBI's most wanted list and, well, that does not happy functional relationship make.

He had a weekend of hot sex with her 10 years ago and when he went back in The Kids are Alright, he was going to Hell and hoped for another bendy encounter with her - because, well he's going to Hell, might as well enjoy the ride. His motivations were purely driven by lust until Ben came into the picture. Even on Lisa's side Dean was just "best night of my life Dean".

Dean likes kids, we know that and being on death's door probably made him even more aware about the life can never have, the happy family that he can never have because of the constant danger. I always took the dream in Dream a Little Dream to be a representation of that dream, Lisa and Ben came to represent what he wanted but couldn't have. It wasn't love, Hell he even said that he's never been in love in 5.15 (which surprised me since he supposedly was in love with Cassie at some point at least. Then again in Sam, Interrupted he said he's never been in a relationship for more than 2 months. I know that time doesn't dictate how much you love a person but he must've moved pretty quick to tell her the big secret about the Family Business.) so that can't be it, at least I don't think so.
Dean is in a bad place right now, he has always been All About Family and his family has let him down more times than he could handle. But this?

"When I picture myself happy it's with you"

I guess then the whole Heaven episode and the memories was one big epic lie then. Am I supposed to take that literally or symbolically, as in family = happiness? I don't even know.

Like someone said on the meme, the writers are trying to sell me a much deeper relationship than what's there, or at least what has been portrayed on the show. I just don't buy it and it feels like shitty writing - the performance was great but shoehorning it in like that...no. And I still can't make out if they retconned Ben to be his son, which I never believed in the first place.

What's really bothering me though, is the thought that that it may play a part in the overall storyline in season 6; to have Dean settle with her and Ben. Before I didn't even contemplate the thought but now I'm unsure and I don't like that.

/end word vomit

I'm sorry, the rage is strong with this one~

I agree with a lot of what you've said.

See, if they ended the series with him on Lisa and Ben's doorstep? I could see that. I could see him showing up after everything's ended and being like "So hi! Remember when you asked me to stay a few years ago? Can I take you up on that offer now?" Because it would be some sort of new start for him.

But this does feel really out of the blue, shoehorned in, and like he's had these deeper feelings for her that we never really saw til now and it's just bizarre.

And I think over the years, he's learned that what he had with Cassie was pretty fuckin' one-sided, so who knows if he counts that.

And I like the idea of Ben not being his kid, but him still wanting to be around. It's that idea of family being something you can create.

I'm sorry you're so ragey about it. :( At least next week looks pretty epic...?

I hate being ragey, especially with Show - I think this is the first time I've been this ticked off by an episode of SPN, even Heaven and Hell didn't blip on my radar this hard. It kinda reminds me how damn angry I was with BSG's series finale, ironically it aired right about this time last year, is that karma? idk.

It really did feel tacked on. Ben is adorable and if there weren't so much water under the bridge (hell it's practically an ocean ~of feelings~) for the guys I'd be all over it because men with kids = me melting in a puddle of goo. My problem is that I just can't see Sam and Dean have a happy ending, which is sad and angsty and shit but it's just not how I can picture it happening.

I look forward to the next episode, I really want to see how it plays out. I don't think he'll say yes, or at least it won't last for more than that episode. The scene with Cas made my heart hurt. I love it. I just hope they realize that doing all of this isn't really going to help - it's like When the Levee Breaks all over again.
I feel bad for Dean, I'm not joining the Dean!hate bandwagon on this one - he's in a really bad mental state and I can't fault him for it, he's been through more than anyone else would be able to handle to be able to function properly. I expect a great performance from Jensen, more than usual anyway.

Man, fandom seems to be split on this, as I'm discovering. I think more people dislike it, but that could just be the part of fandom that I'm seeing. Anyway. I liked Lisa fine in her S3 ep, and even in the dream ep. Just another girl Dean has hooked up with. Hey, he even liked her. But that seemed to be where it ended. So to have Dean talk about her like she's the one, yeah, I don't get it. It did feel forced.

So nothing, nada, just like with Cassie and all the other girls he's been with

This, too. I've seen Cassie's name brought up as "why wouldn't Dean think of her and not Lisa?", but I also see nothing there. Yes, he had a relationship with her, but that doesn't make her the love of his life, either. A few weeks, wasn't it? Certainly nothing longer than a month or two. But all of the girls on the road end up being left behind by default. And you know, I kind of like it that the show doesn't try to shoehorn in long term romance, because it really doesn't fit with their lives. And not that I really liked the idea of Dean/Jo, but Show, if you wanted to hook him up with someone, there was someone he'd seen more than once, and who he didn't have to keep secrets from. But wait, you killed her off.

Lisa and Ben came to represent what he wanted but couldn't have.

Yes, this. I have no problem with them as the representation. But when he shows up on her door talking about her like they'd actually had something, just no.

Hell he even said that he's never been in love in 5.15 (which surprised me since he supposedly was in love with Cassie at some point at least)

True. And true. Although even if he has been in love, that doesn't mean he's still in love. You can love someone and move on.

the writers are trying to sell me a much deeper relationship than what's there, or at least what has been portrayed on the show

Yeah. If we had seen more of Lisa, or seen her since S3, or if Dean had made reference to her any other time, this would make some sense. It just seems to be trying to turn a fling into something deeper without any development at all. Also, I can't help but feel that the writers just scurried around, asking, "Who can we bring back here, even though we concluded her story in the episode she was in?" It's not like Lisa even had a huge part to play. Really, the ep she was in was mostly played for laughs (besides the ever present angst of Dean going to hell that season). I never once seriously considered that Ben was going to end up as Dean's son, nor did I think Lisa was lying to him or letting him off the hook.

What's really bothering me though, is the thought that that it may play a part in the overall storyline in season 6; to have Dean settle with her and Ben.

OMG. O_o I hadn't even thought of that. Please, no, please, no.

'What's really bothering me though, is the thought that that it may play a part in the overall storyline in season 6; to have Dean settle with her and Ben.
That exactly what I thought too. The same thing happened on Stargate: Atlantis (now there was an out of the blue relationship).

I'm so weird, in all my other shows I was hoping for that happy ending because I felt the characters deserved it after seasons and seasons of angst. With Supernatural however, I just can't see it happening - at least not organically. I will punch someone if they do a flash forward or even a reset in season 6.

'With Supernatural however, I just can't see it happening - at least not organically.'
Me neither. Happy just doesn't work with SPN.

'I will punch someone if they do a flash forward or even a reset in season 6.'
Well... Ben Edlund said that season six would be pushing the reset button in a lot of ways. Whether that means the show goes back to a season one feel with Dean and Sam hunting monsters every week (TPTB do seem to love MOTW stand alone episodes) or they do a the-Apocalypse-
was-just-a-dream kind of reset (that would just be insulting) is anyone's guess. Either way there is a whole lot that could go wrong with season six. Especially now that Sera Gamble will be show runner instead of Kripke next season.

The season one feel I don't mind, but if it's like their reward that they don't remember it all or whatever...idk I'm overthinking it, I know. It's just that up until now we at least had an overarching storyline to follow, with them ending it this season and starting something new I feel completely unsure about what's gonna happen.

tbh I'd love some apocalypse clean-up next year but that's just me lol

'The season one feel I don't mind, but if it's like their reward that they don't remember it all or whatever...idk'
Agreed. The Apocalypse (and Mytharc in general) is such a big part of the show that to say the Apocalypse never happened would be not only be a cop out but I would have a hard time investing in the show if they're just going to throw canon out the window like that. I'm still not happy that the writers have basically forgotten about Cassie.

'It's just that up until now we at least had an overarching storyline to follow, with them ending it this season and starting something new I feel completely unsure about what's gonna happen.'
You and me both.

'tbh I'd love some apocalypse clean-up next year but that's just me lol'
It's not just you :D

Edited 2010-04-11 05:38 pm (UTC)